Wednesday, January 31, 2007

Comment by Dr.J.

Thanks Tammie & Jason for your posts. I am segueing to your suggestion about turning the comments on; I went to settings and changed two items. Jason, I am also on the learning curve with operating a blog. I appreciate all the help and feedback. In regard to blog protocol, I will address you specifically if I need clarification. The reflections or comments are othewise for both of you.

Jason, you went to the theological core that is vital to the gospel. The issues of Christology and the Scriptures will always be at the center of the theological stage. Two other issues that you raised, individualism and pragmatism, are antithetical to PM. Poser for both Tammie & Jason, How is this discussion more than just a PM issue, what connects these issues to the gospel as Jesus lived and taught it?

(I hope this comment setting works?)

7 comments:

Dr. J. said...

I am trying this Tammie, your video and discussion conect to education/worship/preaching in a PM context. The video brought back memories of watching Kermit & Co. with our two daughters--good times. Are we hearing the PM questions and answering their questions? (Genuineness is big deal for me, I must be an older PM in disguise as a BB circa '49.)

Dr. J. said...

All new posts will have a comment link.

Red said...

If this discussion were merely a PM issue, we would not focus so much on how the church needs to change in order to reach out to the lost. In reading the posts it dawns on me that as society or culture shifts (ie. from modernism to postmodernism) we see that shift in the arts and communication first and it would seem that the church is the last to change. Could this be because we are so resistant to change? Are we unaware of the change?
So, in a PM world we the church need to open the eyes of our hearts and return to the perfect example and bring His sheep home.

Dr. J. said...

Thanks Jason for your comments and clarifying my incorrect post to Christ & Culture of Session #2, I think I was blogging out late last night. I am enjoying this process, it just requires some late night study as my dilithium crystals are metling down. . .

The church is often the last to change in the cause of preserving the truth or Christian heritage which can be a blend of Civil Religion which Tammie aluded to in her post. That would make an interesting research project contrasting the Kingdom of God with American Civil Religion and ECM. [I had some people comment about the faith of Democrats being suspect because of the party platform. That can make for interesting discussion during Super Bowl commericals---> Da Bears!]

Tammie said...

RE: The question about connecting these issues to the gospel.

If not in words, Jesus certainly made it clear that the kingdom of God was not something for which you ahd your passport stamped and could enter at will and live individually. He lived in close community with 12 men during his ministry.

As far as pragmatism goes, he went against every ideal for getting ahead in the Roman world and in ours by associating with the outcasts of society on a regular basis.

Tammie said...

About Jason's question about resistance to change versus unawareness of change ...

For some, there is a total unawareness of change. I think of people, primarily elderly, who stay at home most of the time and may or may not have a television that may or may not have cable (believe it or not, I know a few) who really don't know what's out there in the world beyond what they can see in their brief trips out to church or to the store. They have little interaction with the arts, which I agree are the first to latch on to change.

There are others, however, who are keenly aware of the change because they are around it every single day. I'm wondering if the resistance to change is a reaction to the constant state of flux our world seems to be in. I'm thinking it's a thought pattern that says, "At least the church is one place where everything isn't changing and I can relax."

Dr. J. said...

Tammie, I have encountered that escapist mindset in the church, which was the one place they did not want any change. This pattern seems to develop in young professionals who work in the jet stream and want to worship by the ol' mill stream. Many people don't like change because of personality, tradition, relationships, and homeostatsis (systems theory that resists change even if it means improvement or growth).